Jeddah Mali: Understanding the Intelligence of the Universe
Jeddah Mali is the founder and director of Intelligent Life, which is a model and mapping system for understanding our own lives as well as the larger universe. If it sounds heady that’s because it is—but it’s also a stunning articulation of collective human values and the ways that we each show up, as well as the gap between how we live, and how we profess to want to live. What Jeddah’s map reveals, is the way we can be more conscious in all of our actions, as we move from survival to unity. I loved our conversatione.com/podcasts/pulling-the-thread-with-elise-loehnen/episodes/119801313-understanding-the-intelligence-of-the-universe-jeddah-mali.
EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS:
Understanding the nature of energy…
Prioritizing regenerative, over linear, growth…
Navigating our evolving relationship with natural intelligence…
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TRANSCRIPT:
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ELISE LOEHNEN:
Hi Jeddah, thanks for being here. I know you don't do a lot of this—it's such a complex system. Well, we’ll just say up front that sometimes visual supports help, and there are visual supports on your website.
JEDDAH MALI:
Yeah, there's things people can watch, you know, like there's a Ted Talk or there's a slide presentation. There's a little video on natural intelligence. So they can watch those things if they want to get more information.
ELISE:
Perfect. But I feel like listening to you talk about this is fascinating in and of itself. And I know I, we can talk about sort of how the system came to you or how you, I don't even know what you would call it, downloaded, stumbled upon it, unearthed, started to understand patterns as you worked through your own life. Can you give an overview of what intelligent life is and what natural intelligence is, which sits beneath it?
JEDDAH:
Yeah, well, intelligent life is just the slightly quirky name we gave to our organization. And there's a serious side in so much, as you know, it's a nod to the intelligence of nature and that's present in all life, so it works on that level. Um, but it's also very slightly cheeky nod to the fact that, you know, we are putting all this money into space exploration programs and finding intelligent life out there. And it's never occurred to us tofind it on planet earth. And there just seems to be a paucity of it, one could argue. So we thought it was an appropriate name for an organization. And then natural intelligence as a phrase. I don't think I can rightfully claim that I coined the phrase, but it is associated with me, and with intelligent life. This is what I speak about primarily, and that is the as many ways to describe it, but you could see it as the operating system of life.
So we're talking about the code, which is woven into the energy of life that organizes, orchestrates, coordinates everything. We are building tech products at the moment and we know just what a head scratcher it is, and how difficult it is to create a digital code to make, just to have one click through. So if we start to think about the code that's required to make every single thing, not just on life, but in all of existence, work, function have some kind of maintenance level have also a creativity, which lives and breathes through that onsistency. Then we're talking about some pretty sophisticated code. So that's what we call natural intelligence. I started off actually, because when I say natural intelligence, a lot of people think, oh, you are referring to the intelligence of nature. And I would say, yes, that's a component. But originally I called it universal intelligence, which is more appropriate. But natural intelligence seems more intuitive for people. It's a concept they can grasp more readily.
ELISE:
And the idea, I mean, it’s a complex idea and we're gonna drill into its component parts and what, what this mathematical system might look like or might be. But this is also sort of an ancient idea, right? Like going back to Pythagoras or in some ways, and it's not the Enneagram, but similar, only in that people for millennia have understood that there is some underlying mathematical structure that guides and informs the universe. And that it shows up from the micro to the macro. Obviously Newtonian physics explains a lot of life theoretically, but then it fails at a quantum level, but is the idea that there is one code or one complex mathematical system that can explain almost everything?
JEDDAH:
Yes, but I wouldn't, I wouldn't compartmentalize it. You felt the but coming didn't you? You can see why I don't normally do this without slides, you know, to help me like a picture paint, worth a thousand words. So I've now gotta rely on these explanations and my explanations aren't definitive or even perfect, but I'll give it a go. Also, we're talking about things that are existentially so vast and complex that is difficult for language to capture it and convey it. But there is an underlying code which is hidden from us. I wouldn't necessarily condense it down to be just a mathematical code, although maths is a component of it. But it isn't just the manifest world that we see around us, which Newtonian mechanics has tried to explain. It's also the invisible world around us, which we don't see, which gives rise to the manifest world. And this is an area of some debate and certainly discomfort, for those who do their science on the premise that if I can see it, it exists.
If I can't see it, it doesn't exist. So the scientific, the current scientific model, and going back to things is that, um, it needs to be observable and there's an aspect of this, which is not observable and our way of trying to decipher what that is, and measure it, and understand it is wholly inadequate. So we need to shift over from that Newtonian system into a quantum system, but not in terms of an intellectual understanding, in terms of an experiential understanding. Because once you get to the deepest levels of the universal energy, then the only way you can interact with it is through experience, through conscious experience. There's a point at which mathematics formulas and all of the intellectual thinking runs out. And then you need to shift over into another system if you want to go any further. And that's kind of the demarcation line we're at with our science at present.
ELISE:
Yeah, no, it makes so much sense. And you mentioned energy and I know I've heard you sort of talk about energy as this principle that we can all understand or grok, but that's the animating impulse of everything, right?
JEDDAH:
The natural intelligence is the animating impulse, and energy is the substance or the material that it's organizing. So energy is the building block. It's the unit that is replicated over and over and over again. And it carries this code. So it's a carrier medium, which carries this code. The code is woven into it. So one could argue they are one and the same, because we think of energy as something which powers things, such as the electricity that comes through into our house, or drives a motor. But actually energy is everywhere all the time. And if we understand it as the building block from which everything is made, everything that is manifest and everything that is unmanifest. And so we have to understand the structure of that energy. We have to understand its properties. We have to understand its nature.
We have to understand how it functions if we want to see that single thread, which runs through everything. So that's kind of what we are doing at intelligent life, trying to describe that, not as quantum physicists describe it, and not as even biologists would describe it. And there is some, you asked about ancient systems and you asked about science. You know, there is definitely a crossover with ancient wisdom, but having studied most of the philosophies and religions and ancient wisdoms out there, that's a big body of knowledge. It took me decades to go through it. And what I found was it, even though it works and there are adherents all around the world, which can attest to that. It's difficult to follow. And right now we need a simplified, accessible, usable form of knowledge of wisdom, actually, rather than just knowledge, that is gonna help us solve some of the difficulties in which we find ourselves. And we simply don't have the luxury of devoting, you know, 30 years to ancient Hindu wisdom.
ELISE:
You talk about these, and we're gonna talk about the maps in a minute, and the way that they work from the micro to the macro, what's fascinating about what you guys do is that you coach individuals and people can use this mapping technology to understand themselves along this, you know, spectrum of seven, it's almost like a Chakra System. We'll talk about the map. But you work with individuals, NGOs, corporate companies, theoretically society, anyone.
But it's a system that holds, right, like where we see how things that we perceive as being an individual imbalance can show up even in well-intentioned nonprofits, et cetera. So we'll talk about that. Before we get to that, I just wanted to go through, natural intelligence being this, you call it a fractal system that scales, but how it has these three components of natural order, natural genius, and natural growth. And those are three co-creative complimentary elements that help us create progress that's as you say, peaceful, or the sort of enduring success in a corporation that's positive for the planet, and people, animals, but all of these things that we profess to want, but we are stagnating right in non-peaceful solutions, conflict, and earth that can't support the way that we want to grow. So can you take us through those, what those, I guess, we'll start with natural order
JEDDAH:
So we're looking at the benefits. What are the benefits of working with natural intelligence here? And these are three that we chose to highlight in the video, which is on our landing page, but there are many more. But we thought those three would convey enough of what natural intelligence can do. So, with natural order that really speaks to the underlying organizing principle in natural intelligence, that we tend to see the world as chaotic, that we can't see the correlations between seemingly disparate elements of life. We can't see how we impact the big picture, how the big picture impacts us, or even the bigger picture. And we don't really see how we can make a contribution. And we don't really have a very clear understanding as a species of what the human is in its fullest sense, what our potential is, where we can head, what the possibilities are.
So natural order is reminding us that there is an underlying order. There is this principle of underlying order within the energy with which we're doing the creating. So if we work in alignment with this energy, if we understand that, and we know how to log onto it, access it, utilize it, then we can extrapolate or we can take from it the natural order, which is inherent within it. And you'll see that in nature very clearly how it organizes itself without any head scratching, without any meetings, you know, without any hierarchy, it's a self-organizing principle. So natural intelligence has this ability to bring order when we allow it to. The reason that we don't see it so often in operation in human systems is because we are constantly interrupting those patterns. So that human intervention is constantly getting in the way of and disrupting the natural order.
Therefore, every time it tries to express itself or reveal itself, we come in again. And we see that most clearly, you know, during the pandemic, here, I think many places around the world, it happened here in the UK, how nature was able to establish itself very, very quickly within a week of the first lockdown. You know, we were seeing dolphins in the Thams. We were seeing birds where they were never birds before, people were hearing things, seeing things, and it was remarkable how systems regenerated. So this is an example. The second one is natural growth or, sorry, what did you say? You wanted me to cover second natural
ELISE:
Genius.This the idea of like, what are the thinking that got us here will not get us there, I guess in a way that's how I interpreted it.
JEDDAH:
And, and this is really because, you know, natural intelligence is the intelligence of the energy, which is the core, which is the foundation, which is the center of all life. And in human beings, we tend to rely, instead of relying on that kind of intelligence to gift us inspiration, insights, intuition, we tend to rely on our logical, rational thinking. There's nothing wrong with logical rational thinking. It definitely has its place. I mean, if we go into the supermarket and we want to compare the prices of two dog foods to make a choice as to which one to buy, we need that, we don't necessarily need to intuit that, we need to be able to decipher that. So there is definitely a place for logical rational thinking. It's just that there are limits to logic, and there are limits to this rationality that can't draw down higher solutions, which are coming from a place that is outside of our current thinking.
So it's really expanding the parameters of our current thinking so that we can start to access new ideas, new possibilities. And we see this all the time with creative people, this inspiration, this higher thinking, this elevated thinking. People who come up with new ideas, inventors, you know, they're bringing something into being. If logical, rational thinking was the only thinking modality we could and should rely on, then everything would stay the same. It would be like this. There would be no innovation. There would be no new possibilities. So this energy, because it is the energy, which is everywhere at all times, it has access to universal information. So instead of logging onto the world wide web, you are logging onto the universally extension web. And that contains a lot of information. So natural intelligence can be a conduit to allow us, or an interface rather to allow us to access that.
And we can argue that we need some new thinking right now. We need some new ideas on this planet, because the ones that we are recycling are causing further degradation and harm to ourselves and the planet that we live on. So we can see that the worldview that we are operating by hasn't brought us to a place of peace, and equality, and universal Goodwill. And certainly, it is not sustainable.There's a good reason to question that. So the third one, the third benefit natural growth, is really to try and counter the idea, pushed forward by the current economic model, that you just need to grow your way out of every situation. Now, of course, the collateral damage for that constant growth is the natural resources that are used to fuel it. And I know there are some attempts to move sideways using technology and AI, and to increase capacity without increasing the resources that we are using. But we are still growing as a world population.
And so we need to understand growth that is regenerative rather than linear. And of course there are many lovely models out there like cradle-to-cradle manufacturing that do a good job of explaining this, but in its pure state, the energy of existence does grow. You know, it, it is expanding. We know the universe is expanding. We don't know why it's happening, but we know that it's happening. And so there is this onward momentum, but we need to look at what the costs of that are, and see if we can factor in, a natural, sustainable form of it. So natural and intelligence leads us in that direction.
ELISE:
You mentioned, sort of ancient philosophy in this, it feels like Gurdjieff’s law of three in the fourth way. It's the third, it's the idea that there are three forces, have to happen in order to move into sort of a new plane or to move anything forward, which is this idea sort of the first force he calls it affirming. The second force is denying or resistance. And then the third force, isn't the, isn't the synthesization of those two, but it's the reconciliation of those two courses that then drives it forward. It's complex and heady, but Cynthia Bourgeault, she's this Episcopalian priest who gets is sort of mystic, I guess you could call her. She talks about it sort of in that way, that like in order for a boat, a sailboat to really move forward, um, well, I'm not a sailor, so let's use a different example, but like a seed, the seed needs, the seed needs the ground and water, but it needs sunlight. That's the third force that bring forces it to grow like seed and wet ground is not enough.
JEDDA:
That's right. So that idea that there are these three forces, which we've also alluded to, when we looked at the nature and the properties of energy and natural intelligence, and this is also akin to the Trinity in the Godhead and also in other religious systems where they talk about the creator, the destroyer, and the sustainer.
ELISE:
It's really interesting cause it's not a binary model, right. We're so used to, but binary models of dark and light masculine and feminine, Yin and Yang, and there are three elements that it creates that spiral that I think is the Fibbonacci sequence maybe is I think what you guys use within the map. But it's interesting to think about it as like that's the propulsive force. Fom the micro to the macro. It has to encounter that resistance, that denying that other impulse in order for it to actually create any momentum forward in a way that's balanced. I don't know my head's breaking.
JEDDAH:
Well, if you were here in England, we just say, put the kttle on, have a cup of tea, you know, it's the universal panacea.
These these properties because, there is no direction outside of space time. There is no direction. So these properties don't operate in a linear way. They are expressing in non-space and non-time, perpetually. And so we can, we can access them anywhere and we can harness them at any time. And I said earlier that, you know, there's a reason that your head is breaking and that's because you get to that point where, you know, the, the thinking mind, the everyday thinking mind can't any longer follow and it needs to, you need to cross over into that other system to be able to, um, notice, to be able to experience, to be able to understand. And that system that we cross over into is using consciousness to navigate, instead of just using the rational mind, the rational mind can contribute. But it can't lead the way. And it certainly isn't the operating system that we need in order to access natural intelligence.
ELISE:
But that's so hard. So how do you know, as someone who's traversed these planes and is guiding us through them, how do you know when you've crossed over? Like, is it a, a felt experience?
JEDDAH:
It is a felt experience, it's nothing but a felt experience, although you can clearly discern the wisdom and the understanding within it, but it is self evident. So for instance, hen you use conscious awareness to navigate, you feel instantly that, you are more grounded, you're more centered, and you are more present, which brings all your faculties online. But you also, it's not just how you do it. It's what you notice. So once you start to notice this universal energy, you'll find that, as consciousness interacts with universal energy, that because consciousness arises itself from that universal energy, it's already predisposed to understand it. So when consciousness drops into universal energy, it's able to extract the understanding immediately. And that's why the effect is so immediate. It's not something you have to understand. It's something that you instantly feel. So, you know, if I were to drop a heavy weight on your toe, you wouldn't need to sit around and work out what had happened. It would be a felt experience, and actually, you know, understanding this universal energy and utilizing it in a very practical and grounded way,is not as hard as you might imagine. Otherwise I would have no clients..
ELISE:
So let's talk the map.
JEDDAH:
I wouldn't be a proponent of a system that was so inevitably hard to access or understand.
ELISE:
So this map, which anyone can sort of can subscribe to this and do, and I know you're working on a new evolution of it. It's a grid. I'm just gonna describe it to people. It's a grid and the seven things the vertical access called the vertical access. If you look at them, I read them as, as chakras from the bottom up, survival, security, power, connection, mission, co-creation, unity. So similar, but maybe not exactly chakra-like, but this idea at the very bottom, we're thinking about sort of those basic root chakra needs. And then all the way to the top, when you're connected to something more expansive. And then along the horizontal access, you translate those for people as you're moving from the inside to the outside, and showing up in the world, and then you go through and you sort of map yourself along: purpose, vision, values, inspiration, motivation, mindset, feeling, form, experience, relating, identity.
So that's hard for people to imagine, but if they go in, then they actually map themselves. It's a really interesting experience. Although I'll have to say you guys do an exquisite job when you're sort of clicking on, for example, purpose and unity. So that would be sort of the top of this grid, right. When you're really expanded. But as I was looking at it, and as I've mapped myself, I respond to so many of these, right. So how do you know it's like, and again, for, so this is the top of purpose and unity, and this is the explanation “We exist because we exist. Connecting to understanding and expressing life itself is the purpose of all human existence. We operate from a knowingness that life is far greater and more powerful than one individual, and that it functions in a state of unity. We express that essential unity through the clarity of our presence.” So that's the most, I guess, expanded. And then at the very bottom to survive, which is bottom left quadrant. “We exist in order to survive. Life has no purpose over and above staying alive. We get up each day thinking only about getting through that particular day, not the longer term picture of our life and where it might be heading.” So I don't relate to that so much, but I relate to many at the top. So as people are mapping themselves, is the goal to get to the top. And how do you know what an intellectual concept versus something that you're actually living?
JEDDAH:
Okay. Without realizing it, you've asked me about five questions there.
ELISE:
I do that, it’s a tic,, and I'm sorry to all listeners who are like, at least stop asking nesting doll questions.
JEDDAH:
So the grid that you refer to, which we call our map, is a system of levels and indices. And what they represent is the journey that conscious life forms go on as they evolve. So the trajectory from survival to unity is a huge span of growth. And not that one that we would complete in a short space of time. And there may be some listeners who do not subscribe in any way to the idea of reincarnation. And so for those listeners, they'll just have to park what I'm about to say, but we take many bites at the cherry. So we come back again and again, and again, not just here, but in other places, to complete that full journey.
So that is the evolution of consciousness right there. Across this axis, is where we are undertaking our ability, our intent to bring things into being. So it represents the journey that energy goes through in order to manifest. Now, there are 11 mapable indicators, and then there's a final kind of summing up indicator column. But what happens is, as we try to bring things into being, we're only dealing with a narrow sliver of understanding, maybe we become conscious around motivation. Maybe that motivation affects our thinking. That thinking affects our feeling. And that feeling affects our physical organism and what we bring into being. And yes, we pay attention to our experience, our relating, and our identity to some extent. But that's only a slice of what's possible. What's happening before motivation. There's a lot of unknown inputs and this is where it really helps to understand natural intelligence and the properties it contains and how to navigate and utilize it.
Because then we are able to be much more targeted and conscious about the inputs, because this access is describing a manifestation system. If you are trying to produce something out of one end, but you are not quite sure what the ingredients are going in the other end, then you are operating somewhat blind. And this is true of humanity in general, because what happens to us individually with that individual intentions and creations is scaled up and is happening on a collective level. And that's why we don't have unity consciousness either individually or collectively. So the correlation between the inner and the outer is very evident. Now, as you go through the mapping process, the mapping exercise, the map, the app will lead you through a series of questions. So in answer to your later question about, well, how do you choose one thing over another?
They all look nice. It's a bit like going window shopping. Oh yeah. I'll have a bit of unity and I'll have a bit of love and restoration and all of those things. Just give everything I'm feeling lucky. We can't sustain that. That's wishful thinking. So the app can't climb inside your head and say, I see that, you know, that isn't really possible for you. But what it does instead is to ask you a series of questions, and to create a series of scenarios so that you can double-check your answers. All of us want unity. All of us want love. All of us want these kind of effortless bands where there's expansion and light and harmony and peace. But if we are really honest, none of us can sustain that. You know, the average attention span is in seconds, let alone minutes or hours.
So we, at our current stage of evolution are not able to sustain those things. And how do we know that? Well we just have to look at the state of our planet and see, you know, what is the general flavor of the thinking and behavior present here. And so the reality right now is that we are much more around the survival, the security, and the power band. Humanity in general, hasn't even got as far as the connection band. And we are still a long way off from mission, co-creation, and unity. So whilst we might instinctively want those things, our ability to effortlessly pull them off, is work in progress. So the map is there to help you contemplate how you might be utilizing your current thinking and behaviors and what that might be giving you. But what the map, what the full grid with all the cells filled in really represents is our evolving relationship with natural intelligence.
So on the bottom in survival, it's showing us how our sense of purpose and vision and values and mindset, et cetera, looks like when we have no understanding of natural intelligence, it's not factored in at all. We are not navigating that energy. These are the kind of behaviors that happen. These are the kind of outcomes that happen as we evolve into security and power and connection, and on. It represents our ability to understand and navigate that energy so the developing relationship. So as a tool, we developed it to try to convey many different aspects at once, not only the big universal picture that contains the potential, the potential of the energy. That's the unity, that's the potential of the energy, but also to reflect back to us ways that we might be interrupting that natural order, that natural genius, and that natural growth with our own version of misunderstanding, and to help us see through the different indices where that might be showing up.
Now, something you didn't mention that I think is worth mentioning is that we don't just map ourselves once. We map ourselves three times on the same map to represent the fact that we have a pretty average way of showing up day to day, that's pretty reliable. Unless we are, have some kind of condition, which makes that impossible for us. Most of us have learned how to be fairly consistent in our thinking and behaviors. And that's the green line, the usual self we call it. Then we also have a blue line, which represents our potential self. And that's not the ultimate potential of the energy. That's our unique individual potential. So that's maybe where you are getting confused between your individual potential and the existential potential..
ELISE:
And is that like the moment when you're like, I'm, I'm here, like those moments when you really actually feel like you’re living…
JEDDAH:
Yeah, you feel that your whole being is facilitated by something greater than the usual self where you, you are full of inspiration and elevation. It's kind of like your best self, how you feel when you are your best self, you behave very differently to your usual self.
EISE:
Not me, not me Jeddah.
JEDDAH:
OK. Well, most people apart from you would. And something that none of us want to talk about is that we don't just have a usual self and a potential self. We also have a limited self, and that's roughly how we show up on our worst days. And the kind of thinking and behaviors we are willing to entertain and run through our being then. But if we think, oh, that's just a thought that's running through my head and that's not gonna affect anything, and I'll just get over it, and my family will just have to put up with me till it passes. What we're trying to help people understand through the mapping. And also the bigger body of work is that our thinking and behaviors is imprinting that universal energy all the time. So even though it causes, locally a sort of disturbance for ourself, the way that the energy replicates itself across larger fields and systems is that that influence is carried. So once we start to look at it from that perspective, we start to see that we do have a responsibility as to how we show up. So we need to be able to plot those sort of system derailers, system interrupters. And when we do that, it allows us to realize that potential self, which is sort of latent within us.
ELISE:
When we've spoken before, you've told me about work with NGOs and just so people understand, or, or contextualize this, you know, or nonprofits who really all they wanna do is good. They only wanna bring love, peace, harmony, light, and yet organizations quickly fall into dysfunctional patterns, too. Can you give us an example of where an organization or company that is so theoretically so beautiful in its vision can stumble along that execution? Is it around power? Like where do you, where do organizations typically get hamstrung?
JEDDAH:
Well, it depends on the organization, and because the vertical access is representing the evolution of consciousness and the general stages that we pass through on that journey, then it depends what the company's sort of guiding ethoses, what their mission is. So roughly generally we say that the way you define your purpose, your vision and your values collectively creates your mission in the world. And from that, you derive your inspiration, which then influences your motivation. So, depending on where companies are at with regard to that, will determine where they get hamstrung. But the corporate sector in general is sitting roughly around the power band. So, you know, that's where you get a lot of the ego attributes showing up for that band. That's where in the corporate world, you get a lot of superiority, you get a lot of competition, you get a lot of trying to be superior over others.
A lot of these attributes show up again and again and again, in the corporate world. Now, of course there are companies that have grown beyond the need to do that. But it's hard to maintain an elevated company culture, unless you are attending to all the individuals who work there and also looking at their own growth path. You can't just ask people to come to work, say, do this go home, okay, I'll put some money in your bank account. You know, that kind of exchange isn't going to produce the outcomes that our world needs right now, where we want cooperation and collaboration and we want trust. And we want people to be self motivating. So there are companies sitting still in survival. There are companies sitting in security, and there are companies sitting in power, and there are a few, that have moved into that connection band. There are a few, there are a few, there's some good examples in the states. You know, the states has produced a lot of light and dark, you know, even in recent times. But you know, in terms of innovative companies and companies that are well-meaning, the states has a good crop.
ELISE:
And you can understand just looking at the power band, how you see companies slipping too, at moments into security and survival. And I just wanna read across these are the words or descriptions for the power band. And I think people will recognize them. This is across these indices. I don't know how to say that. Indice. So this is the power band: to rule, success, power, attainment, superiority, ambitious, controlled, imposed order, stress, competitive, I strive. And the key lesson and present challenge is lack and consideration.
Like that's these words are so, um, just even if you don't map and you just look at sort of the language that are, you guys are using to describe these, whereas the connection which is possible is: to understand, belonging, authenticity, connection, growth, open, balanced, considered, contentment, tolerant. I belong. It it only goes up from there.
JEDDAH:
Yeah. And we need to walk before we can run. And you know, what lies at the heart of this, you know, is for us is that this universal energy exists. So we are not, we're not proposing that it exists. We're saying that it exists. And we're saying it's an existential fact. And it's now no longer in debate, but the gap between our exploration of this energy and our use of this energy, our ability to navigate it, is massive because we have as a species, we are only up to that borderline between power and connection, ourselves ollectively.
So we are not quite yet at the stage where we can acknowledge that, and let that be the guiding principle for all life, including our own. So we are still, you read out the words of the power band. We are still fighting and struggling to make it all about us. Our idea, my idea is better than your idea, when there is already like a universal truth that is available, that everybody can log onto, and there doesn't need to be this competition. There doesn't need to be this, you know, I've got it. Therefore you haven't. So we want to try and help people understand that, you know, if we want to evolve ourselves, if we want the world around us to evolve, we're going to have to move on from our current way of doing it. So the mapping, because you can map organizations as well as individuals, you know, you can even map sectors. You can map industries, is showing us the limitations of our current approach and where we need to tread next on the path. If we want to get out of the results that's been giving us.
ELISE:
That's a beautiful place to start, but I just wanna ask one final question. As we think about this map and we sort of see it as sort of a string, I mean, it shows up in the way that you, where, where the final map shows up as, as Fibonacci spiral in a way, but is the idea too, that as some people evolve or maybe have been here, if we're gonna go back to the reincarnation idea, which I firmly believe I'm with you, I'm on that truck with you Jeddah. Not parking. But that companies, people, will sort of be pullin the energy up by showing what's possible to exist higher on the map. Yes. And that, that in turn inspires other people to step up.
JEDDAH:
Yes. Yes. That's, that's how it works in part, but also the way that the energy is structured, it is naturally chatty. So the energy is a communication medium, the zero point energy field. So, you know, non-locality. So you can transfer information everywhere simultaneously. So you don't need for this process of education, which happens like this. I pass it on to you, you pass it on to this person, this person, this person like this. It doesn't work like that. It's literally in the field. So the knowledge that the front runners gain is in the field, which can be accessed because we're all in the field. So we're accessing it through the fields. Now we're getting a lot of information through the electromagnetic field, but we're also getting it through the zero point energy field. And they are master systems for transmitting information. And we are designed, our very biology and our system is designed to be a receiving station. But the way that we use our system currently that we are. It's like we've built the most incredibl device that can, you know, receive radio waves from far distant planets, but we just haven't flicked the switch, which allows the electricity to come in yet. You know, we are, we are, we're still in a very sort of land based environment.
ELISE:
Are you optimistic?
JEDDAH:
Of course. Oh yes. I mean, I'm optimistic because I know just the incredible potential that this energy contains. And I know that even though we haven't quite understood it, or accessed it, you know, con consistently or reliably yet as a species, of course there are individuals who do. That we are designed to. So obviously part of what we are doing, we're doing a lot of training to help people make that transition. There’s a reason to go to work every day.
ELISE:
It’s a little brain breaking, but it's a beautiful system.
JEDDAH:
It’s a strange thing to get one's head around intellectually, you know, because the theoreticals, they line up, you know, they work and I try to do a job of explaining it theoretically, but as I said, at the very beginning, the best way to understand it is experientially. So when you take people through an experiential exercise, then they go, oh, get it. And then you realize that you don't have to answer a lot of questions.
ELISE:
I know that’s a complex system, and Jeddah and I talked after, and we defintiely want to invite you to join us on a Zoom, to answer questions an so we can map together and see what emerges. But I love this idea. I love this idea of this underlying mathematical system that might be slightly beyond our ability to logicially comprehend, but it’s something that we can see and feel around us, and that it scales up and down, from the micro to the macro. And it’s so interesting to think that we have yet to discover that system. As she said, we’re right at the edge of our knowlege. And we recognize that Newtonian physics works for most things, but it doesn’t work at the infintesimanl level, the quantum level, so we have yet to really understand the full spectrum of how energy animates the universe. But whether you want to go into that specifically, or just want to undertand yourself int he context of what’s possible, I really recommend going to their website, Intelligent Life, and signing up for the mapping, and playing around. It’s fun to understand what’s possible, versus where most of us spend most of our days. I think you’ll immediately recognize and see the reality of life, which is that we’re stuck at the bottom. And yet, if we could all find a way to move up, we’d be much more durable.